‘AG Abdul Gani Patail’s explanation is not necessary. The amendment is a travesty of justice. It is as simple as that.’
As simple as the AG transforming the PM, his coalition CABINET, PDRM, MACC, GOVT.MEDIA, and some JUDGES as incapable of doing what comes naturally in their line of duty!arpals stupid and idiotic comments on Islam are giving BN an opportunity to paint DAP as anti Islam, when that is not the case. This is how they defeated Tenku ralaeigh by painting him to be a Christian, along with Pairin. Now this arrogant and crazy Singh is out to destroy PR
| Imagine legislating discrimination, and entombing it in the supreme law of the land. The Americans considered each black person as three-fifths of a person for the purposes of apportioning legislators based on population way before gerrymandering came into vogue.
Malaysia is no different when it comes to the legitimate interests of other races. The word “other” presupposes a distinct and unique race set quite apart through constitutional fiat. Passing a law loaded with bias to benefit one particular ethnic race is a serious flaw, especially when it is woven into the fabric of a supreme law called a constitution.
One can only wonder what the Reid Commission was instructed to do in the early 1950s while drafting and creating a new constitution for Malaya. The thinking behind what constituted Malaya, and later Malaysia, will always haunt Malaysians, especially knowing that no Malayan was invited to sit in the Reid Commission although I know there were several eminent local lawyers in the then fledgling Malaya.
Now available to the public, and occupying a safe spot and space in antiquity in the atmosphere-controlled British Museum, are letters written to Westminster from the colonial secretaries of Malaya, Fiji and other British colonies with fertile soils yielding untold spoils, inundated with tales, illustrations and examples of the ethnic races who are loathe to work under the blazing midday sun…
Karpal. Please keep religion and religious matters out of politics. This standoff with Pas will not benefit either party and putting your foot down at this inapportune time is uncalled for. Let Nasharuddin answer to his party’s leaders. Karpal, you have said it enough times and you have said it all. No point frying the same fried rice again and again. Forget the challenge by Nasha Chop who is already in deep shit and merely reaching out for passing straws. You have much more important things to attend to for Malaysians.forget about the Constitution and islamic dogmatism, just do a comparative studies on both system,citing countries adopting hudud and those of civil ct judisdition, we would then come to a better judgement on which system is superior to the other. so far all the arguments for or against hudud are based on law/religion which are the least important when come to betterment of human society.law can be changed,so are religion dogmatism,the ULTIMATE criteria is we should adopt a far better/superior system that serve us well into the 21st century and beyond!
If patience is a virtue, committing long-term to the gradual reform of Egyptian society so that it embraces both Muslims and Coptic Christians equally is a self-fulfilling prophecy.It is narrow minded individuals who have a hidden agenda, that want to time and time again bring up the subject of hudud law. DAP has consistently opposed to hudud law simply because we are not an Islamic State. Unless that is changed and the people are fully informed about what exactly is hudud law, any discussion is pointless and a waste of time. I suspect those bringing it up just wanted to score points at the risk of creating disunity between Muslims and non Muslims. malaysia has a long and winding journey ahead. It is simply ignorance and blind faith on individual without really undesrtand the crux of the matter. For example, whether either on purpose or sheer ignorant when karpal mentioned about the rape case of having 4 witnesses, period. We got jokers responses of how pas is this and that without even wanting to or know of what is the real thruth. Do people like me want to debate or even dialogue with people like this? Not in a thousand years. comparative study on both system will reveal the strength and weakness of both and at the end of the day,secular system will outweigh the religious law(be it islamic,christian,buddhist,taoist..ect) simply bcoz common law takes onto a/c of changes in social/political/cultural/economic…conditions over the yrs whilst religious laws are stuck in time and is iron cladded. common law system is far from perfect but religious law is far more behind time!for this we need to show out the big contrast between the two systems!too much politics/emotions r involved now which r detrimental to the country!Hudud, Syariah & the Islamic state are non-issues in M’sia. What matters is the Federal Constitution & M’sia being a secular state. What matters is democracy & human rights & not concepts against these matters. Hudud, Syariah, & the Islamic state are in violation of the Federal Constitution, secularism, democracy & human rights. In fact, anyone pushing for hudud, Syariah, Islamic state should be charged with sedition, if not treason. Anyone challenging anyone to a debate on hudud, Syariah & Islamic state should be charged with disturbing the peace & locked up. The Council of Rulers should also take a stern view of those making all sorts of pronouncements on Islam. Who gave Pas a monopoly to challenge all & sundry on hudud, Syariah & Islamic state? Haven’t they anything else to flog like bringing down the BN after squatting on the people for 55 years in violation of the checks-and-balances in a democracy. How many votes can they get by flogging Islam all the time? MCA is a disgrace.
If what this Pemuda UMNO said is correct that the posting is not their work, then why KJ himself is so open and willingly to be charged? Isn’t he don’t feel that this section 114A is not right and should not have came into existence?Even if Gani charges him, the act in the Great Malaysian Circus called court will see to it that he gets off scot-free. Or, at the very most, a caress on the wrist.should be charged under Evidence Act 114A as a test case of a law passed by his party,BN. Served his sentence in prison and whatever aspiration he had as a Senior Cabinet Minister at least he had run through the gauntlet to prove his worth as a politician who serve the Rakyat through thick and thin.Would anyone entertain a debate with a political rival if the topic is ” Abolition of the Monarchy in Malaysia” ? So why should Karpal entertain something which is equally seditious such as an Islamic State?Whatever laws…..be it hudud or otherwise, the basic principal of justice applies. Any law, be it passed down, must take into consideration present circumstances and relevancy. Don’t adopt and execute them blindly! it is not Karpal but PAS who is out to destroy PR by insisting on an Islamic state and hudud laws despite earlier agreeing that they will not pursue this issue. Now they have started their nonsense again. Karpal is smarter than all the PAS clowns put together and he is the only one who has the integrity to stand by his believes and has been consistent unlike PAS who keep promising something then again start their nonsense. Earlier they agreed on a welfare state, not they change to Islamic state. It is PAS who is stupid and who should just keep their mouths shut and stop chasing people away from voting PR. I sometimes wonder if PAS is BNs trojan horse who is out to purposely create trouble for PR now that elections are near.
Barisan ruling party has been the laughing stock internationally. The Act has been drafted and approved by a bunch of most stupid people. Whatsoever, let come back to the main problem i.e. rakyat confidence in the law enforcers ?. Any non-idiot knows the problems of corruptions in our country, but how many are charged and put to jail. I am just ordinary malaysian. I have to work everyday to feed my whole familly. If i am hooked, unlike you rich people, i have not got any resources to defend myself. it was a sandiwara after all. We will only believe you if you are charged and sentenced to imprisonment for 5 years.because he knows this section is only meant for anyone who says anything against BN. That was always the plan. As long as you are part of BN and kiss a**, you’ll be fine. And KJ knows that only too well.
The recent clashes
in the village of Dahshur, just south of Cairo, between the supporters of a Coptic laundry worker and a Muslim patron whose shirt he burned with an iron serve as another reminder of the need to devise homegrown strategies for tackling sectarian violence in Egypt. Moaz Mohamed, a Muslim, eventually succumbed
to the severe burns he sustained from a Molotov cocktail, and violence resumed once again in the aftermath of his funeral, this time against
the security forces protecting the village’s Mar Girgis Church. 120 Coptic families have also been compelled
to flee Dahshur, which the Grand Mufti of Egypt, Ali Goma’a, has claimed was done voluntarily to deescalate the violence in their village and has urged Muslims to provide these Copts with protection as they return to their homes.
Whether religion was the source of these confrontations or they were fundamentally acts of criminal behavior that have been couched in religious parlance becomes moot when we consider that evidently the irenic religious values of both Christianity and Islam were not communicated effectively and embraced profoundly enough to prevent this violence in the first place or offer nonviolent alternatives.
Indeed, the complexity of such noxious incidents as this one suggests the need to considerably rethink the one-dimensional reliance on both internal and external pressure to invigorate Egypt’s commitment to religious freedom.
Among the myriad reforms under consideration in Egypt today, Article 2 of Egypt’s constitution, which cites the principles of Shari’a as the main source of legislation, and a proposed new article that obligates all Egyptians to pay the Islamic zakat — alms that benefit the poor — have received a lot of attention in the past few days. Bishop Paul of Tanta, a Coptic representative on Egypt’s Constituent Assembly, has recently added
his voice to the choir of human rights activists who believe that a new statement should be affixed to Article 2 that safeguards Coptic autonomy over their religious affairs in no uncertain terms, which presumably includes their choice to either pay or withhold the zakat.
Even if well-intentioned and highly suitable in ideal political conditions, these provisions unsheathe a double-edged sword: while it is true that they may provide a legal framework that encourages government officials to take measures to prevent discrimination against Coptic Christians, especially under the watchful eye of locally placed human rights organizations and other NGOs, they may also counterintuitively embolden extremists who disagree with increasing the civil rights of Copts in equal measure to those of Muslims, thereby intensifying the persecution that these measures sought to undermine.
Given the yet untested political fortitude of policy-makers during this unprecedented episode in Egypt’s history, it is also past time that the more mature Western democracies withhold their interference in Egypt’s internal affairs using public channels.
When the U.S. State Department issues a statement, as it did a couple weeks ago, thatdenounces
”both the Egyptian government’s failure to curb rising violence against Coptic Christians and its involvement in violent attacks” in such a visible and public forum, as laudable as these indictments might appear on the surface, it only complicates matters even more. And, when U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton asserts that religious freedom in Egypt — which debuted
on the list of “countries of particular interest” in the 2011 International Religious Freedom Report — is “quite tenuous
,” Egyptians worry how this and similar assessments might hit their country’s threadbare pocketbook.
Two reasons that Western governments should temper their pious platitudes against Egypt’s track-record are worth considering: first, these denouncements on behalf of Egypt’s Coptic community only confirm the suspicions of extremists, real or imagined, that Copts have been colluding with U.S. foreign policy-makers, against whom widespread rebuke is axiomatic in Egyptian society. Second, these denouncements could put the constitutional enshrinement of Coptic religious self-governance in jeopardy, as ensuring their rights might give the impression to the Egyptian electorate that the Islamist-dominated Constituent Assembly bowed to American pressure — always a bad thing in Egypt. This doesn’t mean that such measures should not be taken in some form, but that the United States should tailor its actions and words — stressing self-restraint and back-channel engagement — to account for the current volatility of the Egyptian political landscape.
What’s more, there’s a precedent of Coptic disapproval of the United States’ meddling in Egypt’s internal affairs, even when their goal is to improve Coptic fortunes. Such hostility toward American interference was on display in 1998 when the U.S. Senate ratified theInternational Religious Freedom Act
, which allowed Congress to reduce the $2 billion in foreign aid to Egypt if it did not take action to curb religious discrimination and contain sectarian violence. Although the American Coptic Association successfully lobbied the Senate appropriations subcommittee to tie the entirety of the $2 billion to the Egyptian government’s improved respect for Coptic Christians, this was met
with strongly-worded objections by prominent Coptic political and religious leaders living in Egypt, from Youssef Boutros-Ghali, the nephew of Boutros Boutros-Ghali, to Pope Shenouda III.
In this case, the Coptic community demurred over the negative impact that a loss of $2 billion in foreign aid would have on Egypt’s fragile economy, which would amplify the adverse socio-economic conditions that tend to inflame violence. If Coptic Christians were identified as the orchestrators of such a duplicitous strategy, they’d be the first to feel the fury of Egyptian extremists who could view the economic pillory of their homeland as an affront to Muslim society.
These possible scenarios undermine the desired outcomes and are more about muscle-flexing by Western democracies than clear-thinking consideration of the complexities of human behavior, the nature of Egyptian political and cultural sensitivities and the need for gradual democratic reform, thereby subvert the legitimate internal, private channels for positively reforming policies and attitudes so they more willingly affirm religious freedom. Indeed, good things will come to those who wait in eager — yet reflective and purposeful — anticipation of an Egypt with “Muslim, Christian, one hand,” as the Maspero demonstrators had courageously proclaimed almost one year ago.
Imagine all the rapist going scott free and walking the streets simply because the innocent victim could not produce 4 credible witnesses. It is rediculous, which idiot who wants to rape a woman is going to call 4 credible people to witness the rape. Its really a stupid thing and seems that this law is only to protect men against the atrocities they do towards women.The misfortune of being born a girl still horrifies those of us fortunate enough to have had the opportunity to reach for the light of social and economic freedom with the benefit of education. The dreams for 120,000 girls attending schools and colleges in Swat Valley were shattered when militants of Pakistan’s Taliban began their assault on education for girls, in 2006. Girls were banned from attending schools and colleges. Through propaganda radio, militant messages were regularly delivered, claiming educating girls was against Islamic principles. By 2007, more than 30 percent of the girls dropped out of school. To further strengthen their philosophy of keeping girls ignorant, the militants began to enforce their ban by blowing up and setting fires to an estimated 400 schools, and terrorizing the people of the region.